THE Biggest Mistake in Training Your Dog!
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Doggy Dan is the creator of the 'Dog Calming Code ™' and has helped over 57,000 people successfully train their dogs using the simplest, gentlest, and most logical way to change their dog’s behavior. Dan is an author, speaker, was the Judge on Dog Almighty and was the featured celebrity Dog Trainer on The Real Housewives of Auckland. His mission is to share his kind, gentle and unique approach of creating and building deep connections between dogs and their owners so we can change the world of dog training, one dog trainer at a time.
Hello dog lovers! Today we have Doggy Dan with us and he is going to share THE biggest mistake in training your dog. So Doggy Dan, I want to welcome you to the Show. We've had this on the calendar forever. And Doggy Dan is actually coming to us from New Zealand, which I am so jealous. He's in his campervan, you guys. Oh, how cool! So Dan, I'm gonna ask you to introduce yourself and what makes your approach to dog training different because let's be honest, dog trainers are a dime a dozen, you can find them everywhere. So what makes you different?
Different Methods
I'll explain what's different. And then we can dive in. And yeah, the biggest mistake, we’ll cover it all. So basically, obviously, my real name is not Doggy Dan, but that's the name I'm gonna go with. It’s just easy to remember. And I've had a lot of different jobs. I was a policeman, a civil engineer, a teacher, a math teacher, and salesman, and I just wanted to find something I was so passionate about. So basically, I set up as a dog trainer, found a phenomenal approach to training dogs that I'm so excited about sharing with you. And it was so powerful, I decided I had to set up an online training program. And that's what I set up over a decade ago, one of the first in the world. People didn't even know what a membership site was back in 2009. I had to explain to people how you could train your dog, they thought your dog actually sat in front of the screen and watched the videos. But um, over 60,000 people have used that program, and I then set up a Dog Trainer Academy to train people online. So we've got people all over the world doing that. And yeah, I've been to over 3000 houses and shared with people, one on one, what's going on with their dog. And it's really the kind of the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff is how I see myself. So my area of expertise is people whose dogs are aggressive, and they don't understand why pulling on the leash, behavioral issues, you know, separation anxiety. I love to help people understand what's going on with their dog, because I'll be honest, I don't think the standard of dog training is very high worldwide. Especially not in the Western world, it's probably in my opinion it’s probably lower than a lot of other places. Believe it or not.
No, I totally agree. So you just mentioned behaviorist, what is the difference between a dog trainer versus a dog behaviorist?
What is a Dog Behaviorist?
Great question. So in my opinion, everything I'm saying here is my opinion Take it or leave it. I don't mind but… So in my opinion, a trainer kind of just is I would say just it's not just it's a trainer is more focused on... Look, there are trainers who are behaviorists and there's behaviorists who do more training. So let's get that sort of straightaway. There's some people who have in their name. I mean, my my website says The Online Dog Trainer, but I'm actually a behaviorist. So that kind of just proves that point. Behavior I would say is where you're looking at how the dog’s emotions and where the dog is coming from at a far deeper level than pure training. Training is more about repetition in my opinion. You know, it's about shaping, it's about saying, No, I want you to do this, I want you to do this, I want you to do this, I want you to do this exactly right. And it's more kind of repetition, reward based, treat based. You can have corrections in there. But it's, it's more trying to get the dog to do what you want them to do. I would say a behaviorist is going a bit deeper and saying, Well, let's have a look at what's really going on in the dog's nervous system, the dog's mental state, it's a far deeper kind of approach to why the dog is behaving like they're behaving. That's, that's how I would name it or explain it.
And that's why I love your program. You are putting yourself in the dog's body and mind, literally, you know, where so many trainers they use the clickers or the treats, which is really bribe/reward. You know, if you do this, I'll give you this. But nobody that I have found, besides you is addressing the why. Why do we need to approach it this way? So when did you figure all that out?
It's been a long process, it didn't happen overnight. I would say, the more dogs I worked with, the more the penny dropped for me that hang on, we're speaking a different language. And the biggest mistake I would say, in dog training is we are speaking different languages. You know, we speak, you know, English, or whichever words, we speak, human speak, the dog speaks dog speak. And the biggest mistake we're making is we're trying to force the dog to think like us, we're trying to get them to understand English. Well, hang on, if we're so smart, wouldn't it be wiser if we actually learn how the dogs think, and feel, and communicate and what's going on? I mean, imagine it like this, if we speak English, and we meet a French person, and all we ever do is keep speaking English. And the poor French person doesn't speak English, and they speak French. If we could learn French, then we can communicate so much better. And it's kind of like that with a dog, we’re just expecting our dogs to think like a human. So the flip side of what I do is almost I say, Well, hang on, let's learn to think like a dog, let's really understand what's going on in a dog's nervous system or body. Because some of the actions we take are, they're so damaging to dogs, and we have no idea how damaging they are. And when I say damaging, I'm talking about behavioral state of the dog. So we do stuff on a daily basis, nearly all of us. Unless you're very, very, very aware of the approach that I'm talking about thinking like a dog, we do stuff which says to the dog, let me put it in these words, we say to the dog, you're in charge, you're the boss, you protect me, you protect the property you lead, you make the decisions, you do what you want. And then we try and train the dog. So it's backwards. We say, You're in charge. You don't know what you're charged. No, listen to me. Come here, do that. No, you can't do that. Dogs go, well, hang on, hang on. Hang on, hang on.
All right, so you're advocating for the dog, which is going to be better for everybody. But in essence, are you really training the people?
Yeah. It’s not the dog. I mean, I’ve got the most hilarious stories where… the one that springs to mind that I've got hilarious stories. But let me just finish my sentence before I move on to the story. Where I don't touch the dog. I've done nothing with the dog and the behavioral issue disappears. It’s proof. Yeah, I mean, there was one lady where, you know, I've had this so many times with dogs are barking and aggressive around the property. And the way I work is I go to people's houses, and I sit with them, and I chat to them. And I quote, quote, work with the dog. Because really, I'm not working with the dog as much as just relaxing state of the house and relaxing everybody. And I'm just talking in the dog relaxes around me. And next thing, you know, the dog isn't barking at the persons who walk past the front of the house. And that's why I'm there. And I'm saying so you told me that, you know, this has happened so many times you told me that the dog attacks the window. And when people walk past. Well, this lady just walked past. Yeah, that's rather strange. And then another person walks past they go, that's really strange. I've never seen this happen before, which is the classic sentence. He's never done this before. And then there was one situation where they said, but you wait till you get the lead. When you pick up the lead, he will go berserk and he pulls so hard. He's injured my arm. Anyway, you know, I've been there an hour, and I decide and I haven't touched the dog. And I said, Well, let's get the lead out and see how it goes. And they're laughing thinking you wait, you wait. I picked up the lead and the dog just laid there. And they said I honestly remember them saying sort of. Oh, he hasn't seen the you've got the lead. I said but normally he would oh yeah normally be jumping up and down. I stand up with a lead and he looks at me I said, Well, he can see me now. Yeah, but you haven't called them over. Wait till you call them over. And I said Rover come here, I Rover walked over calmly all four feet on the ground. And I can see their mouth, their jaws are hitting the ground. Because normally he'd be jumping up mouthing them pulling, put the lead on. And they are absolutely gobsmacked because normally he's yanking them to the front door pulling, he's perfect. And I haven't touched. And that's happened so many times, we're not talking five or 10, we're talking probably 50 or 100 times that exact situation, the dog did not need training, the dog was pretty much saying, Well, if you're in charge, you can walk first, I'll walk calmly with you, but not with those owners until they learn my language.
That's why I love watching your videos, the course is just phenomenal. And for each area that you're working on, it doesn't matter if your dog has the same issues or not everybody can learn from each instance, each video has the most amazing aha moment that we can use with our own dogs. And that's what I just love is you're in the dog's mind. And shame on us as people. Many of us have turned our dogs into either literally our children, or they know that they have behavioral issues. But they work their lives around that. Maybe I have a leash aggressive dog. Oh, well, I have to walk my dog at 2am When there's nobody else out there. No. We can live in harmony. And as you said, if our dogs just understand what we want, we can live harmoniously and have an amazing life. And that's what I love about your program. It's really simple, you just have to do it.
Yeah, it's it is it's very simple when we understand what we're doing wrong. But when we do it wrong repetitively on a daily basis for years and years, it doesn't matter how long you are training your dog in the wrong way, if you're speaking Chinese and the other person speaking Dutch, then..
Yup, you're not going to get anywhere. All right, well, let's just dive right into it. We're all dying to know what is THE biggest mistake when it comes to training our dogs?
THE Biggest Mistake is…
Well, on a practical level, and I wanted to put this out here just so people can get an idea of what I'm talking about. On a practical level, the biggest mistake the fastest way, in my opinion, having worked with 1000s of dogs that you can I say screw your dog up kind of mentally kind of confuse them as to who's in charge is to leave food on the ground for your dog to control. So if anybody has a behavioral issue, and you've got a dog who grazes or eats half the food, and then leaves half the food in the bowl or comes back later, they're controlling the food and you basically you'll never win convincing your dog that you're in charge if the dog’s controlling the food and that includes bones and pig's ears and rawhide.
You I can opened up Pandora's box. Well, Dan, we take a yeah, this is going to be great. Cool. We're gonna take a quick sponsor break. So hold on everybody. We are going to be right back.
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Here we are back with Doggy Dan, who just blew my mind before we went on that commercial break. Can you repeat Dan, what is THE biggest mistake when training our dogs?
Yeah, so the biggest mistake in my opinion when you're training your dog is to leave food down for your dog. And the reason being is, as we mentioned before, you have to learn to think like a dog, you can't think like a human being. And yet, to be honest, even if you think like a human being, it's not the smartest thing in the world. You know, a lot of a lot of what I talked about with dogs is, you know, if you think about raising children, which I know they are different species, but so many things are the same. You know, leaving, leaving a bar of chocolate for your child to eat at any point in time is not the cleverest way to be a parent, partly because you can't, you can't motivate them to do something, if you have, you know, they've got eaten chocolate all day. And then you say, Hey, can you help me wash the car, and I'll give you a piece of chocolate, they're not interested. But there's something even bigger than this going on with food with a dog. With dogs, you have to think of food is life and death to a dog. What I mean by that is, we take food for granted now we've got cupboards full of food, and most of us have food kind of you know, it's what you want to eat not is there enough food to survive. Whereas to a dog, there's still more more about survival. Food keeps them alive. You can almost think of food is like money to us almost. That money is so powerful to us, you know, the more money you have, the more more you can do. And with the dogs think of the food as almost like money. And when you give your dog control of the food. I think the analogy I've got is it's like giving a child $1,000 every week. You get them way too much control way too much power, way too much importance, they can do whatever they want, they don't need you pretty much. If I'm if my child had $1,000, and he was spending on those cars, he got to eat what he wanted. Imagine a 16 year old boy, you give him $5,000 Every week, he's gonna get into trouble in no time. Because he doesn't need you probably isn't going to come home the first few nights because he's going to be staying at his mates, party get up eating what he wants, doing what he wants. He’s gone. So what happens with the dogs is when you leave food on the ground, you pretty much give them the message. They're in charge, they can do that what they want. And it's almost impossible. I've found if they're controlling the food, there's food, and it's impossible to convince them otherwise, doesn't matter if you do all the other things, right. It almost negates everything else.
So you're not a fan of free feeding. Obviously, they get fed their meal, or meals. And then yeah, if there's anything left over…
Food?
You walk away, you pick that bowl up. Yep. And I have tried and tested this. I have come at this from so many different angles. Like I'm like a scientist and detective. I've analyzed this. And I put tests and tricks down to test this theory. And every single dog has proven the theory to be correct. No dogs ever got worse. No dog, let me repeat that no dog out of 1000s and 1000s have ever deteriorated in behavioral long term short for a few hours or minutes or days. They may. But long term, no they always improve when you take control of the food. And some of the things dogs will do. They'll go to extraordinary lengths to control that food. So the dogs would pick up biscuits and move them into another room. I mean, it's just hilarious. Right or, or they leave there was one lady. She actually had a Whippet cross Pitbull. I’ll never forget it. Interesting breed with a cross Putbull. And I said to the lady, does he always eat all his food? And she said yes, yes, yes. Well, we fed him there and then. And then when he'd finished his food, quote, quote, finished, I went to have a check in the bowl. There's just two or three biscuits left. I said to her, there’s a couple left. She said yeah, he always leaves a couple. He comes back later and eats them. I said really? He always leaves a couple of biscuits. She said, Yeah. I said, Well, why do you think he does that? She said, Well, I think either he doesn't see them. Or he's full. I thought about it, I thought can't see them? This is a dog who’s nose can pick up a biscuit if 20 yards away hidden under a bush . And full? She was putting a random scoop of biscuits in the bowl every day. You know how much a dog can eat if they need to. It wasn't full. It wasn't like these posh English people who leave a little bit of food on their plate. You know. The dog was basically saying I'll save that for later I control the food. I'll come back and and sure enough, we pick the bowl up as soon as the dog’s finished and walks away. And within a few days the dog stopped doing it. And his behavior improved. But I got so many stories about food and dogs controlling the food. It's incredible.
Wow, this is brilliant. Because on this Show, of course, we talk about food as the base of our dog's health. You know, this is the foundation. So hopefully all of our listeners are doing the best that they can, feeding the best that they can. What happens. You know a lot of people have one dog and you're focusing on one dog. What if there's a household with more than one dog? How do you address that one dog’s issues?
In terms of the feeding or in general?
Well, with feeding, if I have a multi dog household, and we want to make sure that they know they're not in control of their food, does everybody eat at the same exact time?
Yeah, so with the training program that I share with people, it's really a case of the same principles are applied to all the dogs in the household. So we used to have five dogs in our household. And when we fed the dogs, we said all dogs come on dinnertime. We would round them up and put five bowls down and say, wait, wait, wait, it's quite a quite fun thing to watch five dogs all waiting, okay. And they'd all eat. And they'd all eat. And this is the whole point they there was no, nobody leaving anything. Of course they'll then check each other's bowls at the end.
One thing in your video series, which I thought was just amazing that I tried is that with your dog's bowl before you put it down, act like you are eating from the bowl first. Now, pretend I'm grabbing a piece and I'm it's delicious. And then I'm putting it down for my dog. And that was a mindset shift for him and for myself.
Yeah, you eating first? Yeah, it's a phenomenal thing. I call it gesture eating, where you eat a little bit of cracker/ biscuit bread from above your dog's bowl, and you don't have to do it for the rest of your dog's life. But certainly a few times a week, you do that for a few months, your dogs know what's going on. And for those dogs that really think they're in charge, top dog, that brings them down a peg or two so quickly. So the number of dogs who when you do that, they will then refuse to eat. And that's okay. That's okay. Because it'll only be a couple of days or a couple of meals, usually one or two meals maximum, where the dog goes, I'm not eating if you eat first. But then after a few days, they go, Okay, fair enough. And that's got that's like with a big, yeah, I give up. It's like a snowball or ball trying to get some moving, you get the momentum. And then you can put the rest of the program in place. But if you don't get this bit, right, it's sure it's tricky. It's tricky if you've got the food mixed up and wrong. Yeah. I just want to clarify, if you have a really well behaved dog, and your dog is grazing all day long, don't get me wrong, I've got no problem with that. If your dog’s happy, you're happy, no behavioral issues. Dog listens to you generally, cool. Just graze, that's fine. Bones laying all over the property. Cool. So this is really a case of, it's almost like, if you're eating whatever foods you want, and you're healthy and fit and you haven't got any issues, then I don't have a problem with you, you know, you might have three pieces of chocolate or half a bar of chocolate a day. I got no problem with that. But if you are struggling with all sorts of issues, and you're, you know, shoveling half a bar of chocolate down and three cans of fizzy, sugary drink, you know. So it's really specific for those people who are looking for help and wondering what else could be going on. Because they've tried the training approach, whether it's the clickers and cheese or more correction based with telling the dog off and shock collars and that sort of thing. So this really is for those people who are struggling.
Okay. Well, tell us about you have the Dog Calming Code. What is that? And how does it work?
The Dog Calming Code
Yeah, so the Dog Calming Code, if you think of it, as we talked about the training and the behavioral side of things. So we got hundreds of videos, which I share with people in the Online Dog Trainer, when I go to people's houses, maybe to do with recall, or stopping a dog from doing some strange like jumping up and stuff. But the Dog Calming Code is the initial program, I suggest everybody should put in place. And it's the piece which is like the behavioral piece, where it's basically the part which says, I'm in charge, you should be listening to me. And it's called the Calming Code because when you say to your dog, I'm in charge, it allows the dog to switch off and relax, as well as helping them listen to you. So the best analogy is almost when you have a dinner party, or if you ever have a dinner party, you know you have 20 people come around and or 30 people you end up a lot of times people end up kind of wandering around with a bottle and food going Do you want more drinks, more nibbles? Anybody want more drinks, and and everybody's saying, you know, sit down, relax, sit down, and you're running around. I'm not saying you do this. But you know, people run around, offering drinks and nibbles and the next thing you know people are because it's their party. They're wiping the surfaces down in the sweeping the kitchen and they're not relaxed. They feel like they've got to do something, because it's their party and they're in charge. Now, if you go to another person's house since it’s their party, you're far more likely to kind of sit down and just relax and chat and like find a book on the bookcase and start reading it or a magazine. You put your feet up you relax, enjoy yourself. Because when you're not in charge, you don't have that responsibility. And what we don't realize as dog owners is so many of our dogs are way more stressed and on tender hooks than we realize. You know, all of these little dogs who are nonstop running around chasing flies barking jumping up the windows yapping, non stop, go, go go. That's not a happy relaxed dog. Yeah, mouth open, panting looking around, eyes on. So these are all stress signals. The happy dog is the one, the one who's in the front of my campervan, now. He's just lying there. He's relaxed, you know, my dogs will happily go into a space. And they'll just sleep for five hours. I’ll be there or not be that doesn't matter. They can sleep for hours and hours. They're relaxed, happy dogs, they tend to sleep for kind of 12 hours a day. And they’re not always on alert and hadn't got one ear up the whole time. They don't follow you around the house the whole time. That's not a happy, relaxed, dog. It may make you feel like unloved. But the happy, relaxed dog doesn't need to do that, they realize they can just switch off and relax. So the Dog Calming Code helps your dog get that message or it helps you understand how to give your dog that message. And of course, the happy relaxed dog who's not in charge doesn't have to be protective of you or the property doesn't have to lead on the walk that doesn't pull on the leash doesn't have to be protective when you're walking in the park. It just switches off and relaxes. And then you see the dog actually playing more. You see dog’s that have never played before in the house with you know, I go to houses where there's two dogs and one's very stressed and one's kind of bit more chilled out. But they don't play. And there may be another issue. But often when I'm there or a bit later on after a week or two people report, you know, Butch the dog has now started to play with Minnie. Butch and Minnie are playing again. They haven't done this for years. And it's because the responsibility that they had is, is gone. You know.
I want the People Calming Code. Because I know my dog Winston picks up on my stress and I am just so wound. And I'm trying to work on that. So is it as easy as saying leadership is the key that if they know that you are the leader that they are not that that puts them in a better position. And us ultimately as well?
Should We Lead Our Dogs?
I'll be really honest, I stopped using the word leadership because everybody's getting offended by the word but it's partly because we don't have that many great leaders. In human terms, a lot of leaders are self centered a lot of leaders kind of look after themselves and, and try and, you know, line their own pockets before looking after the people. So, leadership has a funny connotation of being threatening and a bully. But I would agree with you in My Word idea of a great leader like a Nelson Mandela or something. A person like that, who cares for the people, first and foremost. So I'm happy to use the word leader if we think of leader as non bullying, non threatening, loving the people and caring for the people and the dogs. The other word is parent, you know, if you think of a great parent, they are in charge. So my wife and I, we’re in charge with our kids and our dogs, we make the final decisions and that does absolutely allow our children to relax. You know we're on holiday in a campervan, my wife and I've got all the responsibility of where we're going to park up for the night, where we're going. When we're going to leave, when we're going to get food what we're going to do, our kids love it. They relax. Structure. We’re the safety net they get in the campervan, they climb up onto their bunks, they've got no idea half the time where we're going. They got no worries in the world. Their biggest worry is Can we jump in the water? How warm is the water? How big are the waves? My wife and I have all the responsibility where we're like ducks. You know, we may look like we're gliding along, but under underneath the surface. Our feet are paddling, you know. Have we got enough water? Have we got enough gas? Have we got enough…
Is that the premise of your book, I know that you have What the Dogs Taught Me About Being a Parent?
Parenting
Yes, that's right. Yeah. Okay. So what the dogs taught me about being a parent is, was this idea that I had that hang on, there's a real correlation, but between parenting and dog training, but I didn't have any children at the time. So I started thinking about it. And when we had a child, I think Stanley was about one or two years old, I decided, you know, I believe this to be so true. And I wrote the book. And I'm super proud of it. Because it's true. That the premise of being a great parent or being a great dog, owner or trainer or dog parent, there's so many similarities and the key ones, you know, the big ones about taking responsibility for your own actions. And, you know, it's easy to blame your dog. It's easy to blame your kids. But actually when you change how you do everything, how you talk to your children, how we communicate body language, and we when we change that with our children, our children respond differently. They change. We evoke a different response in our children. And the same thing with our dog when we change how we're acting around our dogs, and what we're doing and how we're being, we evoke a different response from our dogs. And picking up the food and not letting them graze is a real good example. Yeah.
Well, Dan, I can't thank you enough for being with us today and sharing this great information. I told everybody how much I love your program. It is simple. But we just have to learn how to do it the right way to make our dogs calm down and be happy. Wouldn't that be wonderful? Well, I know that Dan has an amazing offer for all of our listeners. And I can't believe that you're offering a $1 trial to try out your online program. Do you want to talk a little bit about that?
Sure, sure. So what what I'd love to do is basically let people check it out and try it. And so we decided to do a $1 trial for people who want to check it out. And you get three days access. And the main program you could start with is the Dog Calming Code. So it's the key program straightaway, says Here you go. It's a step by step program. So you kind of can't go wrong. And you'll know, within an hour or two of watching the videos, you'll be like, Wow, this is unbelievable. It's so different. And you'll see the change in your dog. And if you want to stay on, it's $37 per month, cancel whenever you want. But if you don't, if you go, you know what I like free stuff and $1 stuff, and just cancel within three days. Just email us and Yeah, the thing is a lot of people, a lot of people actually, they take the trial, and they cancel within three days. And when we check we say Is everything okay? No worries, canceling. We say why you cancelling just just so can we get some feedback. They said, Well, my dogs, my dog solved the problem, problem’s gone.
It's that it's that powerful. So I'm always happy. It's no big, no big deal for us to give people three days access for $1.
Well, Dan, thank you so much for all that you do. Where can everybody find out more about you and the Dog Calming Code? What is that website.
So you may want to repeat it because of my funny accent, but it's www.theonlinedogtrainer.com
www.theonlinedogtrainer.com . And I'm going to put that as well as where people can find you on social media in the show notes. So check that out. Any parting words? Dan, before we leave today, And I'm going to put that as well as where people can find you on social media in the show notes. So check that out. Any parting words, Dan, before we leave today?
Social Media
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/doggydandogtrainer/
Facebook: www.facebook.com/DogTrainerDoggyDan
What I would say is if you've tried lots of different approaches, and you're still struggling, then give this a go. Because it really is so radically different. It's you know, somebody once said to me, training is about trying to get your dog to do what you want them to do. And this approach is saying Hang on. Before we do that, let's make sure we're communicating with our dog and understanding where they're coming from.
That’s why you stand out. It works.
It's the same with people you know, before you try to tell somebody some thing, try and listen, try and understand where they are. Before we start, yes, beautiful lesson for life.
Oh my gosh, so much great words of wisdom. Dan, thank you so much. Again, everybody. Check out Dan and his Calming Code program at www.theonlinedogtrainer.com. Thanks, everybody!
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